One Lump or Two?

If we want to be an actual, legitimate “shadow blog,” I guess (sigh) we need to formally address the issue of the Tea Party, since Nate is now tackling that naughty problem (sorry, I meant knotty problem, I must have been thinking about Christine O’Donnell) over on his front page.
 
There’s really no telling what the coming election will bring, Tea-Party-wise, though theories abound. What will potential Teaper successes mean for the American political landscape? I foresee only two possibilities in that event… either they will become a legitimate third party, or they will drag the existing Republican party significantly to the right. Either result will, I think, mark the beginning of quite a long period in the desert for the GOP.
 
More interesting is what consequences we might see from electoral failures caused by off-putting Teaper activism…to say nothing of really, really  weird candidates. Again, theories abound. Right here at “538Refugees,” shrinkers thinks the Teapers will be simply emboldened by any tiny success  and use the victimhood aspect of defeat to their advantage, and they will just keep…on…coming… at… you.  I disagree. I think if they are seen as sabotaging this huge opportunity for Republicans, the furious weight of the right-wing establishment will come down on them with crushing force and we’ll barely hear a muffled squeak out of them afterward.
 
Nate, that sly diplomat, is straddling the fence: “ If Republican candidates do well on Election Day –- and particularly if Tea Party-backed candidates like Rand Paul of Kentucky and Sharron Angle of Nevada win their races -– the Tea Party will be credited with having revived a moribund Republican Party. But if the Republicans fail to live up to expectations — and expectations are exceedingly high –- the Tea Party will be blamed for curbing the Republicans’ ability to capitalize on historic levels of voter dissatisfaction.” 
 
Still, I believe Nate is coming down somewhat more on my side than shrinkers. He IS… isn’t he?
 
I’m interested in what all of you think on two fronts: how will the Teapers impact the coming election.. will their contribution ultimately turn out to  be a net positive or negative? And looking ahead, what impact (if any) do you think they will have on the national scene going into 2012 and beyond?
 
All opinions welcome. References to witchcraft, dinosaurs, birth certificates and 2nd Amendment Remedies warmly encouraged.

About filistro

Filistro is a Canadian writer and prairie dog who maintains burrows on both sides of the 49th parallel. Like all prairie dogs, she is keenly interested in politics and language. (Prairie dogs have been known to build organized towns the size of Maryland, and are the only furry mammal with a documented language.)
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55 Responses to One Lump or Two?

  1. dr_funguy says:

    I believe that _anything_ that promotes a greater diversity of political opinion/expression in the US is good. So I think that “TeaParty” is a good thing. I don’t care for their politics, I hope that lose, but (as with objectionable speech) I am totally supportive of their participating in the process. I wish that they were organized enough to have an actual party with a platform that could be scrutinized. I would love to see serious electoral reform in the US that resulted in more diversity of political parties. Unfortunately it has been ruled constitutional to discriminate against third parties, so I’m not holding my breath. The most likely result of the Tea”Party” effort is to split the conservative vote like Perot did in 1992. I am American living in Canada. One huge difference between the two countries is that Canada has a functioning multi-party democracy. Four major parties, plus the Greens (no seats in the National Parliament, but some provincial). Another refreshing thing about Canada is that they can agree to politely disagree here without resorting to thinly disguised racist slurs or calling their opponents traitors.

  2. Jean says:

    fili,The Republican party/Tea Party will continue to eat their own, but I doubt they will fade aware in the near term.The GOP and Tea Party even get their act together PRIOR to the mid-terms to state what their platform is or what their goals will be. The GOP is, this week, planning to unveil their “Contract for America’/ In that, the GOP wants to focus on jobs, spending, health care, national security and reforming Congress. However, the GOP is being strongly pressured by the social conservatives to include their pet wedge issues – abortion, gay marriage, anti-immigration, bringing more god to government. We shall see later this week who wins this battle, but if I were a betting person, I’d bet on the social conservative teapers.I have also seen much discussion on the right wing websites of a groundswell building to primary Olympia Snowe and Scott Brown in 2012 because they are not conservative nor pure enough.

  3. Jean says:

    reposting (apparently on the way home I forgot how to spell and type):fili,The Republican party/Tea Party will continue to eat their own, but I doubt they will fade away in the near term.The GOP and Tea Party can’t even get their act together PRIOR to the mid-terms to state what their platform is or what their goals will be. The GOP is, this week, planning to unveil their “Contract for America”. In that, the GOP wants to focus on jobs, spending, health care, national security and reforming Congress. However, the GOP is being strongly pressured by the social conservative and very enthusiastic base to include their pet wedge issues – abortion, gay marriage, anti-immigration, bringing more god to government. We shall see later this week who wins this battle, but if I were a betting person, I’d bet on the social conservative teapers.I have also seen much discussion on the right wing websites of a groundswell building to primary Olympia Snowe and Scott Brown in 2012 because they are not conservative nor pure enough.

  4. Mainer says:

    This one of those moments when I actually feel bad for Bart. How can that be you might ask. Well Bart for every thing he is and isn’t honestly believes in his little heart of hearts that he and his TP friends are really Libertarians at the core of that heart and they are charging ahead to bring what they see as fiscal sanity back to the country. Now I think he is off his freaking rocker most of the time and I seriously believe he is ill informed, disingenuous and frequently nothing more than a miserable pettifogger at its worst he has since the beginning at least tried to keep the concept that this is more Libertarian than Social conservative in terms of mission direction. Bart I hate to tell you this but you have been snookered, taken, used and I have to suspect that even you will soon see that it has happened. You will of course not admit it because you are incapable of ever admitting you are or were wrong but Bart you wanna be Libertarians have been swallowed. You are now part of a political coalition that can not be in real world. One can not espouse limited /small goverment and be under the thumb of the social conservatives that want to control aspects of our lives the government has no business being involved in. So what is it Bart man? How can the Tea Party be both Libertarian and social conservative at the same time? That isn’t a case of politics makes strange bed fellows that is dating out of you species.

  5. shrinkers says:

    JeanI have also seen much discussion on the right wing websites of a groundswell building to primary Olympia Snowe and Scott Brown in 2012 because they are not conservative nor pure enough.This is especially amusing because many Teapers are claiming credit for Scott Brown having been elected. To see them turning on their own so quickly is … well, as I said, amusing.

  6. Bart DePalma says:

    Filistro: “[H]ow will the Teapers impact the coming election?”Voters who approve of or support the Tea Party supporters will make up a plurality of the voters nationwide and majorities in most contested districts and states. I hope someone in addition to Rasmussen polls this comprehensively.Filistro: “[W]ill their contribution ultimately turn out to be a net positive or negative?”This will be your worst nightmare, exceeding 1994. I will be partying like its 1775.Filistro: “And looking ahead, what impact (if any) do you think they will have on the national scene going into 2012 and beyond?”This is the proverbial million dollar question.1) Can the Tea Party stay a decentralized network or will it go the way of the Netroots and turn into a cluster of top down political action committees and internet media?2) If the GOP does not follow the voter’s mandate, will the Tea Party go third party or continue to follow the strategy of taking over party positions and replacing RINOs with conservatives in the nominating process?3) Will the Tea Party be able to maintain its enthusiasm and reach heading into 2012?As to the last question, I noticed that former President “The era of big government is over” Clinton was on the tube today trying to co-opt the Tea Party and its general themes. Slick Willy sees what’s coming and I see him laying the groundwork for a Hillary nomination challenge based in part on Tea Party Dems and Indis who are infuriated with Obama. Remember Hillary won the most Dem votes in 2008 and Obama slid in on Indi voters who have now turned on him.

  7. The Real Mike Is Back says:

    Here’s an interesting thought I have, if I do say so myself.How much of an overlap in the Venn Diagram sort of way is there between Freepers and Teapers? I’ll set the over/under at 65%, and say over.

  8. dr_funguy says:

    “Tea Party Dems “Kinda like black republicans, a vanishingly small population.

  9. Jean says:

    shrinkers,re: This is especially amusing because many Teapers are claiming credit for Scott Brown having been elected. To see them turning on their own so quickly is … well, as I said, amusing.Notice that since Scott Brown became a senator (and quickly distanced himself from the teapers), further had the audacity to vote with Dems on an occasion or two, the teapers stopped claiming him as “one of their own”. And fili has probably seen the same sentiment while wading over in the freeper swamp.

  10. Monotreme says:

    A Bart Barted:Slick Willy sees what’s coming and I see him laying the groundwork for a Hillary nomination challenge based in part on Tea Party Dems and Indis who are infuriated with Obama. According to this survey, “Tea Party Dems” would be 13% of 17% of the electorate, or 2% overall.http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/90541-survey-four-in-10-tea-party-members-dem-or-indieThat’s a huge, powerful interest group for President Clinton to ally himself with. The fact that he would piss off the other 98% is probably a minor consideration. Your knowledge of political science sure is astute, Bart.

  11. Bart DePalma says:

    dr_funguy wrote:”Tea Party Dems ” Kinda like black republicans, a vanishingly small population.”Democracy Corps found that 65% of self identified GOP LVs, 40% of Indis and 8% of Dems reported being Tea Party supporters. This is likely an undercount because DC requires that you voted in 2008 to be counted, which misses a large number of Tea Party folks who were not voting.http://citizen-pamphleteer.blogspot.com/search?q=democracy+corpsThe Tea Party is essentially a reassembly of the old Reagan coalition complete with the conservative Dems and Indis who used to be known as Reagan Dems.

  12. shrinkers says:

    filistro, on another thread, you askedAnd while I’m at it… what do you all think about Murkowski’s write-in effort, and how it will play in Alaska? I know what I wish for that. Ms. Murkowski should win the election. I would prefer this even over the Democratic candidate winning due to a split Republican vote, as in NY-23. The reason I would prefer this is that, at base, I am not a partisan. I want the best for America. A healthy, sane Republican party is far better for America than is a nutbat insurgent Republican Tea Bag Party. If Murkowski wins, it will help to chastise the Teabaggers.Although I am convinced that even small gains by TPers will simply embolden them, I have not talked about my l-o-n-g term expectations. I’ll save that for another post.For now — when you were in High School, did people TP people’s houses on Homecoming night? If not, I’ll describe what that means ….

  13. Monotreme says:

    shrinkers:We called it TPing, while in some parts of the country I’ve heard it called “rolling”.

  14. shrinkers says:

    Democracy Corps foundBart, that same series of polls, by a variety of pollsters, concluded that the Tepers are basically the core of the Republican Party with a few additional odd stragglers. This has been pointed out to you many times. Yet you continue to spread your absurd misinterpretation.Do not try to pretend that Teabaggers have a wide, cross-party movement. No one is buying that.Pick any issue. Some percentage of R’s, I’s, and D’s will favor it. ALWAYS. It still usually boils down to a partisan issue of some sort. Duh.Hell, about 8% of Republicans approve of Obama. I expect you now to being declaring that his support is bipartisan, cross-topical, and the middle-of-the-road opinion for the centrist American voter.But no, you will quote some poll, and ignore your blatant hypocrisy and dishonesty. We see it, though.

  15. Jean says:

    Bart,Slick Willy sees what’s coming and I see him laying the groundwork for a Hillary nomination challenge based in part on Tea Party Dems and Indis who are infuriated with Obama. You’ve been gazing into the Fox News crystal ball again, huh? Fox has been heavily promoting the scenario you just lifted from them. You really need to start watching something other than Fox. No one else is carrying this supposed “news”; it’s nothing but Fox once again trying to drive their agenda and you fell for it. I heard the same “news” at a dinner this past weekend – that Fox News has been beating the drum to get Hillary to primary the sitting President.

  16. shiloh says:

    Hey Bartles …Generic Ballot Virtually Tied: Democrats 46%, Republicans 45% ~ September 20, 2010Republicans losing strength in September compared with AugustBart’s tsunami …>btw, Simon Cowell’s all-time favorite song ~ Unchained Melodycarry on

  17. Jean says:

    Bart,Bart’s been pretty busy peddling his propaganda over at the NYT. For example: BD: The idea that the Tea Party is a racist organization is of constant amusement to our African American and Latino candidates.And a commenter over on NYT asked that you reply:Bart, How many African American and Latino candidates do you have? Please name them… and tell us where their districts are. We’re all interested to know. Apart from a few token minorities at your rallies, I haven’t seen much minority participation in the Tea Party. Most of the participants look decidedly white, and pretty darn old. Nothing but crickets from Bart so far.

  18. shrinkers says:

    Republicans losing strength in September compared with AugustGosh. Whatever will Barty do if the tsunami does not appear?Of course the Republican Tea Bag Party is about to come out with Contract On America II — The Return of W! We’ll have to see how well that all plays.

  19. Mainer says:

    Dang it Mike I had to go look that up Venn diagrams, good lord. But that said if I read it right I think you are probably low. The correlation could be not just higher but much higher. Well what would it have to be in terms of higher to be significant?So Bart “if the election was held right now” is still holding out for his tsunami? Bless you Bart. Now how is that coexistance with the social conservatives going?

  20. filistro says:

    Real Mike… as the resident expert on this species, I can tell you with some authority that ALL Freepers are Teapers. However, I assume that not all Teapers are Freepers.

  21. Mainer says:

    Fili if that is the case then mikes number is indeed quite low. Scarry. Now if Bart would man up and admit his blessed movement has been swallowed by by the social cons.

  22. filistro says:

    Dancing with The Stars was painful enough to sober me up a bit…. so I feel able to address dr funguy’s discussion of “third parties” at the top of the thread.I don’t believe third parties are ever viable. I recall reading quite a long scholarly article on this topic a few years ago… and have not since been able to find it again… but it was an interesting confirmation of my own views. The central thesis was that third parties always fail because the human brain is geared (politically speaking) to an “either-or” bias, and historically, any country that has multiple parties always sees consolidation and an eventual drift back to a two-party system. Even true centrism is myth. We’re left or we’re right… every one of us.That’s how Canada works… there’s the “liberals” and the “conservatives” plus a few special interest parties that can occasionally hold the balance of power, but would never, ever achieve a majority.I think the parasitic Tea Party fully realizes this, and knows any move to third party status would destroy both themselves and the GOP which now serves as their host organism. Their goal is not to be a third-party rival to the GOP, but to stay within and feed off it it until they have eventually consumed and replaced it.

  23. WA7th says:

    No, Nate isn’t coming down more on the fili side than the shrinkers side. Read his last sentence again. The Republicans will take their Tea Party lumps after the Democrats take theirs. The term “Republican party establishment” just seems like an oxymoron to me, and I don’t mean that in any pejorative sense. The Republican party is, was, and always will be the “opposition” party. The Tea Party is the opposition to the opposition, and they only exist because their own Republican party has already failed them and is beyond redemption. They can’t so easily be co-opted or absorbed into an impure Republican party, because they are the true Republicans.The left-wing angry mobbers, on their end, are in opposition to the “Establishment.” All the Democratic party has to do to co-opt any branch of their angry mob is to enact that group’s policy ideas. The Republicans can’t easily do an opposite version of that, at least nothing that can please the teapers, except by being anti-everything all the time. We are seeing now what happens when they fail at that, alienating their purists by voting “yes” for something.I’m interested to see what Democratic turnout will be relative to Nov 2006, because I think the Tea Party candidates are doing a better job motivating the Democratic base than Bush did in ’06.I think the Tea Party will fade into television obscurity as soon as the next President takes office, at which point the mainstream TV media will find a substitute to stoke public anger for the sake of TV ratings.

  24. The Real Mike Is Back says:

    Don’t tell that to Jack Layton, the head of the NDP (Canada’s third party). He will get into bed with anyone politically to become PM of Canada.

  25. Jean says:

    fili,As one of my teaper siblings put it, “Why should WE be the ones to leave the Republican party? Let THEM leave.”And hasn’t Bart even said it was a hostile take-over? Bart may think it’s a hostile take-over by the fiscal teapers, but it’s not just them and the fiscals are in the minority. After the inevitable takeover, the social conservatives will hold the reins of what’s left of the Republican party. Not a pretty picture for a party looking for indy votes.

  26. WA7th says:

    While it may be true, I think the “either/or” gearing of the human brain never gets the opportunity to be relevant to a discussion of the US federal system, because the “either/or” mentality is already hardwired into the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College. The only way third parties could ever become viable is if we passed multiple amendments to the Constitution, least of which would mean turning Congress into a more parliamentary-like system. I think having 50 separate sets of ballot access laws also hinders any possibility of a move in that direction.As I see it, as long as the current Constitution survives, we’re permanently stuck with waiting for one party to disintegrate before another party can rise to takes its place.

  27. Mainer says:

    Well WA I think you are most likely correct and would any one want to put a bet on which party will implode first? The Democrats are what they are and have been. Not pretty and at times dysfunctional but who and what they are.The Republicans not so much. I think the only question at this point is what will the new party look like and will it help or hurt this great nation. My best guess is that what will emerge is going to be regional, extreme to some extent and beset with problems they bring with them. That does not mean they will not mature and evolve (now that will be some thing and maybe a contradiction of terms considering the players). But what the Republican party becomes is probably not what it is now or looks like it could be sucked into.

  28. Mainer says:

    Well boys and girls a little late night fun. When shall the Barts of the country and the Republican party realize they are now in the remake of Franz Kafka’s newest version of Metamorphosis and develope awareness that while they slept they became not Republicans but social conservatives? Now could that not be ugly? Probably beats waking up as a giant bug but not by much,On a lighter note is not Bart the classic Archie of Archie and Mehitabel….so Bart how does diving off the desk onto the computer keyboard feel……and does that mean that …..gasp…..Fili is Mehitabel? Just asking but inquiring minds that are still sober would want to know.

  29. Mr Universe says:

    We called it TPing, while in some parts of the country I’ve heard it called “rolling”.We rolled or egged in the south. We also did cow tipping and bug tumping. My adolescence was well misspent.

  30. Jungle Jim says:

    I guess I see the Tea Party in a different light. To me they are out of control Republicans who are rebelling against the party leadership that betrayed them. Its slowly starting to dawn on them that they’ve been had, but are not ready to admit the liberals were right all along. What concerns me most about the TP is that they have not yet faced the fact that their party has come within inches of causing its 3rd Depression. The recovery is still fragile and yet here comes the moron brigade to make sure it happens after all.

  31. shrinkers says:

    “The recovery is still fragile and yet here comes the moron brigade to make sure it happens after all.And of course, if they do succeed in forcing us into another Depression, it will be Obama’s fault.

  32. Jungle Jim says:

    shrinkers said:And of course, if they do succeed in forcing us into another Depression, it will be Obama’s fault.The 1st one ran from 1873 to 1896. 23 years!The 2nd one ran from 1929 to 1941. 12 years! And the Teapers are upset that, after 20 months, things aren’t back to normal. Can we afford 10 to 20 years of suffering in exchange for proving we were right all along? America better think long and hard before allowing these mental midgets to screw up the recovery.

  33. Bart DePalma says:

    Sad about the dumbing down of America: ‘Bart, How many African American and Latino candidates do you have? Please name them… and tell us where their districts are.”I do not have a census of the dozens of Tea Party candidates running nationwide, but here are some who have made national or local news out here in CO:Marco Rubio running for Senate in FL.Ryan Frazier in CO-7Tim Scott in SC-1 who beat Strom Thurman’s grandson with Sarah Palin’s endorsement.Vernon Parker in AZ-3.Charlotte Bergmann in TN-9.Angela McGlowan in MI-1Cedra Crenshaw for IL state senate district 43.There were 32 African Americans running or Congress as Republicans this year.http://www.essence.com/news/hot_topics_4/black_republicans_running_for_congress.php

  34. shortchain says:

    The Tea Party is loosely organized along state lines, with a few overarching groups, so anything said about “the” Tea Party is pretty much certain to be wrong, at least in spots.Up here in our fair state, the local Tea Party group, organized (natch) by a long-time lower-level GOP operative, is all about fiscal conservatism, except that they want a lot of money spent to prevent the few hundred cases of illegal voting which almost certainly never occurred from ever not occurring again.They sent out a “report card” on all the legislators and — in an amazing display of coincidence — every one of their heroes was R, and every one of their enemies was D.Know them by their actions and associations is what I say, and they’re obviously Republicans — like the folks I grew up with (a grandfather, infuriated beyond endurance by FDR, ran as a Republican for public office way back when). These people are cognitively unable to connect policies and philosophies with the results on their personal lives and, as a result, vote for any snake-oil person or cause that offers a simple explanation or especially a scapegoat that can be blamed for their inability to get or keep wealth. (Oh, and Grandfather used to tell stories about how he was a supervisor in the WPA to make it through the depression without losing the farm.)

  35. filistro says:

    I’m trying to post on the top thread and getting the same “your message is being moderated” screen Grog got yestreday, then losing my message.Anybody else?

  36. filistro says:

    So here’s the post that keeps getting rejected in the other thread:I’m starting to think the left has been greatly benefited by all the talk of tsunamis and the polling that showed such huge GOP gains. The GOP momentum peaked at just the right time… late enough that people were paying attention, early enough to give voters time to think seriously about its implications.And just when folks began to really ponder the prospect of a GOP takeover, they were treated with chilling up-close images of your Tea Party in action… Christine o’Donnell acting like ignorance on skates, Joe whatisname up north joining the group of moral absolutists who think 12-year-old-girls should be forced by the government to bear babies conceived through rape and/or incest, people marching against the building of peaceful places of worship.The public is alarmed. GOP generic numbers are plummeting. Local polls are tightening. Teaper rallies are being canceled, and their panicky candidates are avoiding the media. But it’s too late. Laws of gravity decree that once something begins to fall, it tends not to go up again inless its properties change. And if there’s anything the Teapers have told us, it’s that they never, under any circumatances, have any intention of changing any of their veiws.So… thanks for the party, guys. It’s been…. fun.

  37. shrinkers says:

    filistro, it’s working fine for me, except that I often ave to enter the verification number twice.

  38. filistro says:

    shrinkers… it seems to be related to length. I can get a breif message through, but not one that’s 1000 characters.

  39. shrinkers says:

    shortchain:These people are cognitively unable to connect policies and philosophies with the results on their personal livesIt does sound like Republicans, yes.The only people who seem to think that the Teapers are not merely the fundamentalist subsect of Republicanism are other Teapers. They’re really not fooling anybody.

  40. filistro says:

    I saved my message so I’ll experiment above by breaking it down and see how short the portions have to be to get through

  41. shrinkers says:

    filistro, sounds like something Mr U or ‘Treme need to look at. I’m pretty sure they’ve been doing stuff with the blog software. I’m going to try a long post on this thread, let’s see how it works……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+…….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+……..+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….

  42. shrinkers says:

    This is merely another test …….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….3….+….4….+….5….+….6….+….7….+….8….+….9….+….0….+….1….+….2….+….

  43. Bart DePalma says:

    Sad about the dumbing down of America: ‘Bart, How many African American and Latino candidates do you have? Please name them… and tell us where their districts are.”I do not have a census of the dozens of Tea Party candidates running nationwide, but here are some who have made national or local news out here in CO:Marco Rubio running for Senate in FL.Ryan Frazier in CO-7Tim Scott in SC-1 who beat Strom Thurman’s grandson with Sarah Palin’s endorsement.Vernon Parker in AZ-3.Charlotte Bergmann in TN-9.Angela McGlowan in MI-1Cedra Crenshaw for IL state senate district 43.There were 32 African Americans running or Congress as Republicans this year.

  44. shrinkers says:

    @BartThere were 32 African Americans running or Congress as Republicans this year.Were all those African American Republicans also Teapers? Or are you equating the Tea Party and the Republican Party? Or are you sidestepping the actual question again?

  45. filistro says:

    shrinkers, I’ll try once more here… presently can’t get through anything above 500 char.very frustrating

  46. shrinkers says:

    filistro, try closing and reopening your browser. Try rebooting your computer. Try clearing your browser cache. Try burning some incense.

  47. shortchain says:

    Shorter Bart: “We love minorities — as long as they stay minorities.”How many tea-party endorsed candidates are there? And what proportion of them are minorities? As a person claiming to know something about statistics, Bart would presumably understand that, absent a racial bias, a sample chosen from a racially mixed population should reflect the proportions of the population.Cherry-picking a few tokens is hardly evidence of anything but skill at cherry-picking.

  48. parksie555 says:

    My take is that the Tea Party has clearly helped the Republicans in this cycle despite a few high-profile mistakes such as Angle and O’Donnell. The voter enthusiasm gap is where the positive effects are most clearly seen.For example:http://www.gallup.com/poll/142838/Republicans-Hold-Wide-Lead-Key-Voter-Turnout-Measure.aspxAnd:http://www.gallup.com/poll/143009/Democrats-Establish-Narrow-Edge-Party-Affiliation.aspxThis gap is what is moving a lot of the races in close districts in the Republican direction – PA, OH, FL, maybe WI, CO. It’s allowing the Reps to play offense this cycle instead of defense.The nuts get most of the headlines but as always the real work gets done closer to the center. That is why the Castle defeat still stings a bit.My hope is that Obama is suitably chastised by the big Dem losses in the House and Senate, follows the post ’94 Clinton paradigm and moves to the center to enable some real work to get done in rebuilding the economy, ending the war in Afghanistan, and getting spending under control. He’s a smart guy, hopefully he learns the lesson well.

  49. filistro says:

    Hey, that worked! For anybody else having a similar problem, I cleared my cache and rebooted the computer.(Didn’t burn incense, though… I’m not an incense-burning type. More of a prairie sage-burning type. 🙂

  50. shrinkers says:

    This is surprising, and welcome —Home construction jumps 10.5 pct in August

  51. DC Petterson says:

    @parksierebuilding the economy,The economy has been growing for, what, is it three quarters now? We’ve gone from losing 750,000 jobs per month when Obama took office, to gaining jobs every month. 3 to 8 million jobs NOT lost because of Obama’s policies. Home construction jumped 10.5% last month. The Republican Great Recession officially ended in June. Things are not improving as fast as any of us would like, but Obama is clearly rebuilding the economy from the depths that the last Republican Administration left us in.Of course, the R’s have fought him every step of the way. ending the war in Afghanistan,Obama has already announced that American troops are going to begin coming hone from Afghanistan next summer. Naturally, the Republicans strongly criticized him for planning to bring the war to an end. and getting spending under control. The federal deficit for the fiscal year ending Oct 2010 will be 8% LESS than for the year before. In other words, the first year of Obama’s fiscal policies have already reduced the deficit by 8% from what Bush left us.And this is in spite of Obama having given 95% of Americans a significant tax cut.And by the way, the Republicans are trying to make sure that the tax breaks that 98% of us get expire at the end of the year. So much for the Republicans wanting to cut taxes, eh? If the obscenely rich don’t get tax cuts, neither do we. Rather shows their priorities.

  52. parksie555 says:

    Shrink – I agree that tax cuts should only go to the middle class, as Obama proposes.However, to think that the economy is anything but a shambles right now is wishcasting of the first degree. If you really think the recession is over, you are an ivory tower academic just like the rest of Obama’s appointees.Just once could we have an economic advisor that has had to make a decision on buying equipment, or had to make payroll, or like actually run a business making something? And no, Rattner does not count.

  53. The Real Mike Is Back says:

    I’m starting to follow as a prime (but not sole) indicator a statistic called “Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments” to help measure the overall health of the economy.This figure indicates that the economy in our wallets and purses has just finally reached the same point we were at in 2006.http://calculatedriskimages.blogspot.com/2010/08/personal-income-less-transfer-payments.htmlSource: Bureau of Economic Analysis

  54. DC Petterson says:

    The recession ended in June of 2009. This was not according to the Obama Administration, but an independent economics group – “The National Bureau of Economic Research, a committee of academic economists in Boston, said the recession that began in December 2007 ended in June of last year…”http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/20/recession-over-for-a-year-americans-dont-feel-it/

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