Refugee Status

    

Yesterday I submitted a post to the NYT site about this blog. It was a straight forward promo and not even slightly on topic, and I was astonished to see it published today. Also, Jean’s only accepted post over there was one that contained our URL.
 
I think Nate has instructed his moderators to let us push our website, that he feels bad about the loss of the old site’s lively interaction and knows that he owes us in part for driving traffic through years of helping him attain the high profile he now occupies. At any rate, they certainly don’t seem to mind. It might even be a good idea to test this theory by having few more of you post there in the coming week and include reference to this site. It could well be more attractive to people if they know some of you really smart folks are here… and not just lightweights like me. *g*

 

Also, I suspect a lot of the regulars have already pretty much given up on the NYT comments site, so we’re not going to gather them in without a few more signposts to help them.
 
So while I’m on the topic… what DO you all think of the new site? Has it been a good move for Nate, do you think? Do you like the comments over there? I actually do, quite a lot. They’re much more informative than our old comments section used to be… but not nearly as much fun. I think both sites serve a distinct purpose…. the NYT site is meat and potatoes, this one is dessert and cocktails. It’s hard to achieve a perfectly balanced site, but these two together are going to be just about perfect.
 
And while I’m at it… what do you all think about Murkowski’s write-in effort, and how it will play in Alaska? At the NYT, even the Alaskans seem hugely divided on the implications of her latest move. Par for the course this election cycle, I guess.
 
Anyhow, enough rambling. If you’ve just arrived here from the NYT, welcome. Stop in and say hi. If you’re one of the old crowd, we’ve missed you. (I even miss Muley and Charles. It seems to be some kind of mental illness.) If you’re new and simply curious, we’re happy  to see you, too. Pull up a chair, grab a drink and jump in. Anywhere.
 

But be warned… we’re really, REALLY addictive!

About filistro

Filistro is a Canadian writer and prairie dog who maintains burrows on both sides of the 49th parallel. Like all prairie dogs, she is keenly interested in politics and language. (Prairie dogs have been known to build organized towns the size of Maryland, and are the only furry mammal with a documented language.)
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62 Responses to Refugee Status

  1. The Real Mike Is Back says:

    I like the new site and find the food analogy pretty well done.Alaska is just one of those states I don’t really have a good read on. I thought Tony Knowles would have beaten Lisa in 2004, even in a Prez year, because he was a pretty popular Governor. She won by 3 points, but under 50 percent. The primary, the death of Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin – hell of a lot of drama! Don’t really know how that all portends…

  2. Monotreme says:

    I think both types of comments sections have their place, but I prefer the free-wheeling, cocktail party atmosphere of the “old” 538 and the “new” 538refugees.After a while, one’s nickname becomes a “brand” of sorts and it’s interesting to see how personalities (or lack thereof) are reflected in the same poster’s comments over multiple threads.I miss the WV games, though.

  3. Mr. Universe says:

    “I miss the WV games, though.”Yeah, well, one challenge at a time

  4. shiloh says:

    The obvious:Nate’s new site by definition is totally technical and no spontaneity as has been discussed ad nauseam previously because of very, very slowwww moderation.>Again as mentioned at the old blog The NYT’s has no ambiance/atmosphere lol no je ne sais quoi/joie de vivre! ;)>and one of the things that really is disappointing ~ Nate zapped the comment section at his old blog after saying he wouldn’t do so. :(>One of my posts that didn’t pass muster at Nate’s old site the last couple weeks when he turned on moderation:It was the best of times, it was the worst of times …Nate, you really should thank Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States of America! for making your site interesting the past (3) years …and of course sarah palin, Strategic Vision, LLC, Bart et al winger trolls for comic relief! Que será será.take care, blessingsFade to black …>Another post:Again Nate, very sad indeed in your last couple weeks at 538 you go over to the dark side re: conservative censorship! as you should be a good fit at The NYT’s, eh.be careful what you wish for …>Profiles in NYT’s political censorship, Volume 5 ~ final edition lol:Nate, you zapped the comment section(s) at your old site. Very disappointing.538 is officially dead!>>>IMO what made politics totally fascinating the past 3/4 years was Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama as stated in my rejected post above and Nathaniel Read “Nate” Silver 😉 benefited from their quest for the presidency immensely!So again, Nate should thank Hillary and Obama for making politics interesting the last (4) years.and yes, because Obama, a bi-racial, African/American was elected all the conservative yahoos er bigots/teabaggers have disgustingly come out of the closet to give America another black eye, but, but, but although disgusting ~ interesting as well and quite predictable considering the last 30/40 years of ailes/safire/atwater/turdblossom hate/fear/division/misinformation scorched earth presidential politics!ie the Reps are very sore losers, especially to an African/American, eh.>So let’s recap, shall we:Nate benefited from the high energy political atmosphere Hillary and Obama provided the past (4) years.And Reps like Bart, grog, Jeff, Rudy etc. are still Crying a river! as per usual 😉 re: cheney/bush FUBAR’ing America from 2001 to 2009.that is all 🙂

  5. shiloh says:

    Re: Murkowski/MillerAgain, let the Republican/teabagger cannibalization begin and hopefully continue forever! ;)When conservatives eat their young it’s always entertaining in a Silence of the Lambs sorta way lolI ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.carry on

  6. alki says:

    Thanks Filister for providing this alternative site. Frankly, I am real disappointed with the new 538 due to how long it takes to get your comments posted and due to its censorship. I complained repeatedly to the NY Times but to no avail. I put the blame on Nate. Either he’s not the person I thought he was, or a he negotatiated a lousy deal. I hope this site picks up the slack.

  7. Jean says:

    fili,re: And while I’m at it… what do you all think about Murkowski’s write-in effort, and how it will play in Alaska?I hear they’re going to allow voters to writen in “Lisa M” rather than having to write in her first and entire last name. That may help.

  8. Mr Universe says:

    To my knowledge, write in candidates have never won. This would be a big surprise and a major Tea Party upset. It’s fun being on the sidelines though.

  9. WA7th says:

    Nate’s opinions on Murkowski’s chances seem like blog filler so far, because he doesn’t yet have data to back him up, but he still is expected to give his opinion.I think the NYT move will ultimately be good for Nate and whatever he chooses to do with his blog, but the end result of his giving up control over the most minute details in exchange for being able to eat and sleep like a human is that now his blog is less unique than it used to be. So far, it gives all appearances of being a M-F 9-5 operation. Like, say, a newspaper.Given that Nate is truly at his best when the polling data is at its best, and that’s only in even years between Labor Day and the first week in November, I assume Nate’s hope is that he will emerge from NYT a full-blown and much better-known political columnist, and not so much identified as “just” a polling and stats guru and blog owner.One thing missing at the new blog is basic understanding of the old FAQ. At the old blog, the regulars in the comments section did a great job training the newbies about the FAQ and the meaning of “if the election were here today.” That’s completely missing now, to Nate’s detriment. What Nate means by “if the election were held today” is an important concept for understanding the blog, and most efforts to educate the newbies are totally lost in the comments.

  10. George in Florida says:

    My comments on the new 538:I gotta say, moderation is a blessing and a curse. Being a late night poster, I typically put in one comment, and have to wait for the next day to get a response. Hard to have a running discussion that way. However, if I’m posting between 11am and 5pm, usually comments get approved quickly (and it’s not 9-5, look at the slew of comments posted with an 11am time stamp. Those are the overnights and mornings).On the other hand, I don’t miss the death threats. Or the 200 comments of “you’re a ####” (fill in your favorite word here). “No you are.” No you’re the bigger ####” etc. etc. etc. It was getting tiring toward the end. I also don’t miss every thread for a month getting turned into a discussion on HCR, or whatever was the hot topic that month, despite what the topic of the thread was.I have seen many people here complain about comments being rejected. Personally, I haven’t seen it. So far, I haven’t had a single comment rejected. But you do have to realize that it is the NYT, not 538.com, so they do have to have some standards. I have seen many comments that were off topic, but usually they have some tie in. (BTW, if you want to get a comment rejected, use the word “horse” in your comments. For some reason, the NYT filter assumes that it is a curse word).My other main criticism of the site has been the lack of new threads, sometimes going three days without a new topic. But that should change now that election season is starting.So while I do miss some of the spontaneity of the old site, and the back and forth conversations that would ensue (damn, I learned a lot in the last two years, mostly from other comments and links) I think that the new site is a better discussion of issues.My 2 cents.BTW: Nate is still working strange hours. I was up at 4am the other day, and I was watching as not updated his house forecasts.WV: 27144 2*2*2*3*3*13*29O.K. this new word verification is not nearly as good as the old site. And a spell checker? That was half the fun, trying to figure out what some people were saying.

  11. filistro says:

    George.. LOL on the “horse” thing. I’ll bet the moderators have all been warned about Muley and are grimly on the watch for anything with the slightest hint of a horsey vibe.Before I forget… thinking about WA7th’s “if the election were held today” point… if the election were held today, the Bartles types would actually expect (I believe) to pick up between 50 and 80 seats. I asked this question down below and I don’t think shrinkers understood me (my point was pretty garbled)… but what I’d like to know is:… how far short of some 100-seat pickup is going to be viewed as a significant failure on election day, given the rosy forecasts?I mean, if they pick up, say… 30 seats, will that still be viewed by the media as a “failure”? What if they DO win the House, but just with the barest of majorities. Would that be triumph… or kind of a bummer?It seems to me the GOP have been playing the “expectations game” very, very badly this time… which is kind of surprising because they’re usually pretty good at it.

  12. shrinkers says:

    filistro:I think they’ve failed at the expectations thing because they’re being taken over by triumphalists. These are the same people who expect the Rapture to happen at any moment. They’ve been proclaiming this for a long, long time, and can’t be expected to stop now. They’ve just never had a Level 20 Seismic Vorpal Megaphone before.That’s why I’m convinced that anything will be seen and proclaimed by them as a victory. Provided the Earth doesn’t simply swallow up their candidates, they’ll proclaim success. Bear in mind not a single Teaper candidate has yet been elected anywhere in a general election, yet they’re already proclaiming victory.If they lose, they’ll point to the number of votes they did get, and the number of establishment Republican candidates they were able to knock out of the running — and hold this up as an indication of their growing power. You can’t expect a movement to be overwhelmingly successful in its first real election cycle, can you? They’re just getting started!I could be wrong — but I don’t think FOX is giving up the Teaper meme any time soon (way too much money in it), and they’re the one who hold the choke chain on the rest of the media.Oh, it’d be a bad night for a lot of people if the Teapers lose, and worse if they lose big. But that’ll be a passing depression. Come the next morning, they’ll realize Satan always has temporary victories (as he did in 2008), and they’ll bounce right back, their enthusiasm redoubled.That’s my take on it. I prefer to think they’ll be demoralized if they don’t win a billion seats in the House, and at least 70 in the Senate. But I honestly don’t think they have the intellectual capacity to realize that their triumphalist rhetoric remains unfulfilled.

  13. shrinkers says:

    Oops, I left italics on. I hope this urns them off.

  14. filistro says:

    Come the next morning, they’ll realize Satan always has temporary victories (as he did in 2008), and they’ll bounce right back, their enthusiasm redoubled.Good grief, what a depressing thought. You think they’re going to be like one of those undead zombies, where you can stab them, shoot them, explode them with dynamite… and they just keep coming at you?I hope you’re wrong. And if the GOP just picks up 20 seats in the House and loses some prime Senate pickups because of Teaper extremism, I honestly can’t see Bart in here the next day proclaiming victory.I think it’s more likely if that happens the fury of the “establishment” will rain down on the Teapers with apocalyptic white-heat intensity. Whichever of us is right, it will surely be fun to watch, at any rate.(Oh, and speaking of Bartles… I see the DOW is up another 100 points today. How’s that longed-for, much-touted “double dip recession” workin’ out for you, Bart? 🙂

  15. alki says:

    @WA 7th…….even during the day, I find the lag between when a comment gets written and when it gets posted can stretch over an hour. I emailed micah, one of the moderators……very nice but professed he’s just a cog. Frankly, I think the NY Times is ruining what made the 538 stimulating.And their censorship extends beyond death threats. I was critical of the 538 format and it never got posted. I am surprised with all the hits 538 gets it couldn’t sell more advertising. Its too bad blogs can’t make a living for their authors.Oh well……Nate’s a good guy. Can’t begrudge him his success.

  16. alki says:

    Good grief, what a depressing thought. @filistro…..You think they’re going to be like one of those undead zombies, where you can stab them, shoot them, explode them with dynamite… and they just keep coming at you?The teapers have already proved that to be true. If I know my history, they are simply zombies that result from the reincarnation of past conservative groups. I may have the order wrong but it runs something like this……they were the McCarthites who morphed into the John Birch Society who morphed into the silent majority who morphed into the moral majority who morphed into the religious right who morphed into the Tea Party. The only thing different this time is they are willing to go against what the leadership of the GOP wants for a whole host of reasons leading off with the fact the GOP is such a failed brand and they blame the current leadership for that failure. And they also grow more strident and more desperate as the country tilts left. That’s what worries me. Seeing guys carrying AK-47s in a parade for Joe Miller does not give me the warm and fuzzies. I think we are coming to a point where acts of insurrection will become more common place.BTW I have changed my tag for this site. I think I was keetz4 at the old 538.

  17. shrinkers says:

    filistro:How’s that longed-for, much-touted “double dip recession” workin’ out for you, Bart?Don’t you remember? The economy is picking up now because people have realized that the Republicans are going to take control of Congress in November, and they’re celebrating.According to Bart, even though there is no change in the economic conditions whatever, just the thought of having a Republican Congress is driving stock prices up.Of course, the economy picking up will help Democratic candidates, so investors are clearly being rather irrational — according to Bart.And if they’re being so irrational, as these guys and their friends really the people we want driving our economy?(On a side note, do recall: the DOW plummeted a thousand points in the days after Scott Brown was elected back in January, starting, in fact, the next morning. No connection there, however.)

  18. filistro says:

    George, WA7th, alki…It seems the posts most likely to be rejected at the NYT are the ones where people reply to.. or make reference to… the views of other commenters.I think the NYT has a totally different view of the comments section than the one we all brought over from “Old 538.” Their view, I believe, is… “The comment section is for the purpose of supplying feedback directly to the blog author. Readers who wish to argue and discuss amongst themselves should go to a chat site.”Which is why they seem quite willing to publish the addy for THIS site… where argument and discussion is pretty much out raison d’etre.

  19. shrinkers says:

    Hopefully turning off italics.

  20. filistro says:

    Thanks shrinkers, you’re amazing.And another of my theories bites the dust: I said: It seems the posts most likely to be rejected at the NYT are the ones where people reply to.. or make reference to… the views of other commenters.So did you see the brutal smackdown “Augustine” just got over at 538 after dumping on Bonddad’s Sunday post?(Of course… all 18 follow-up posts are attacks on Augustine, so there would have been nothing to post if all had been rejected…)

  21. shrinkers says:

    Re: Bart’s claim that stocks are rising on expectation of a Republican takeover:http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100920-708021.html“U.S. stocks climbed Monday, gaining speed after a key nonprofit organization officially called the recession over, giving investors a boost of confidence in the gradual economic recovery.”This, from the Wall Street Journal.Apparently, investors are starting to realize that the economic policies of Obama and the Democratic Congress are working, and the stock market rise has nothing whatever to di with the upcoming election.

  22. shrinkers says:

    So did you see the brutal smackdown “Augustine” just got over at 538 after dumping on Bonddad’s Sunday post?That was awfully impressive. Next time one of our resident wingers tries to blame the current economy on Obama, we need to just link there.

  23. Meredith says:

    I’m so glad this site is here! I’m a long-time lurker from the old 538. I’ve posted a few comments at the new one because I enjoy the back and forth, but it never seems to work out for obvious reasons. (I keep hoping people will comment back at me, even a day or two later! I was most recently responsible for a comment on the last Murkowski post that I’d love to chat about, namely Crist and turnout in FL.) Question: can we possibly post links to all of Nate’s posts (or at least the interesting/controversial ones?) here as separate posts and discuss them? That way we can chat about the issues at hand the way we can’t over at the NYT.

  24. alki says:

    @Meredith……Question: can we possibly post links to all of Nate’s posts (or at least the interesting/controversial ones?) here as separate posts and discuss them? That way we can chat about the issues at hand the way we can’t over at the NYT.LOL. Maybe we could have Nate post his comments over here directly and just you the Times as a supplementary site.I think the NY Times is going to regret their heavy moderation of 538.

  25. Meredith says:

    @alki They only care about the page hits. I don’t think they picked up 538 because of its stellar commenters, unfortunately. Even if we all go over there and read the posts and then come back here to discuss, they will have still achieved their end goal, I think.

  26. filistro says:

    Hi Meredith (you know, I’ve always loved that name…. :-)Here is Meredith’s comment from 538’s Murkowski thread, which is certainly deserving of more comment than it got there:I do have one thing to say about Florida’s percentage of independents versus Alaska’s: Alaska has semi-closed primaries, but Florida has entirely closed primaries. Quite a few of my friends/family members and I (we’re Floridians) would like to be independents, but we instead remain affiliated with either the Republicans or the Democrats because otherwise we have absolutely no voice in the primaries. In Alaska, Republicans, independents, and undeclared voters can vote in the Republican primaries.I’m not sure what this says about Crist’s chances in the end, but I do know that most of my Democratic friends and I are either already planning to vote for Crist or will vote for him if Meek is polling poorly (to the point where there is no way he can win) by Election Day. Thus, some of Meek’s current support may come from that latter group. Basically, among a lot of people, there is already a group which will probably continue to grow that will vote for anyone but Rubio who has a decent chance of winning, and right now, that looks like it will be Crist, not Meek.So, those of you more familiar with the FL race… how much impact do you think there will be from the ABR vote (Anybody But Rubio).. and will it be enough to put Crist over the top? Also… how much is current polling being skewed by this very real but as-yet-invisible factor?

  27. shrinkers says:

    I just got mention of http://538refugees.com/ in a NYT post. Doing my part for the Revolution.Welcome Meredith!I’m hoping for a NY-23 finish to the FL contest, with the TP’er going down because he split the Republican vote. Of course the dynamics are somewhat different. But FL is certainly purple enough that it could well happen. You may be right, that a lot of Meeks support will swing to Crist on The Day. In 3-way contests, the challenger at the bottom of the pile frequently does far worse on election day than even the late polling showed. And I cannot see Meeks supporters going to Rubio, which makes Crist the natural potential beneficiary of this phenomenon.As for cross-linking posts from Nate — maybe the thing to do is to write a comment about one of Nate’s articles, and start up a discussion here. Certainly you can include a link to the article you want to comment on.

  28. MoldyMe says:

    Another long-time lurker here. First, I have to respond to fili’s question. I’m not the first (and probably not the tenth) person to complain about the white-type-on-black format, but it is very tiring to read! Mr U, if you could do something to change this, lots of us would appreciate it! I love that this site exists and appreciate the work that Mr U and Monotreme have put/continue to put into it. No doubt many of the old regulars will eventually find their way to this site.I still really enjoy the new 538, but I read it now just for Nate’s and the others’ insights, rather than also the comments from the posters. The breadth of knowledge on the part of many of the posters on old 538 was simply stunning, and I look forward to much the same here — but there needs to be a meaty topic in order for that to be generated.I would like to see a new thread (depressing though it will be) based on what alki said at 0832 this morning:”… If I know my history, they (TPers)are simply zombies that result from the reincarnation of past conservative groups. I may have the order wrong but it runs something like this……they were the McCarthyites who morphed into the John Birch Society who morphed into the silent majority who morphed into the moral majority who morphed into the religious right who morphed into the Tea Party.”And from this, I have to ask: where do you all think the TPers go from here? What happens to this country as the rhetoric moves more to what used to be the radical right? At what point do we reach Malcolm Gladwell’s tipping point? I wish I had fili’s sense of optimism.

  29. filistro says:

    shrinkers, well done on the sly reference to Refugees! I hope we get lots more links posted over at 538. Every time one gets through, a few more interesting folks show up here.Coincidentally, just a couple of hours ago I sent a new blog entry to Mr U about the Tea Party, which he will publish up top as soon as he gets around to it, so.. pinkies up kids! Put on mummy’s high heels and line up your imaginary friends, your dollies and your teddy bears… we’re going to have a tea party!

  30. alki says:

    @Meredith……@alki They only care about the page hits. I don’t think they picked up 538 because of its stellar commenters, unfortunately. Even if we all go over there and read the posts and then come back here to discuss, they will have still achieved their end goal, I think.I like the way you think. ;-)I think we should go over tp NYT, read what Nate has written and then do all the commenting here. It would really cut down on the hits the Times gets.@shrinkers………I think its the moderators like Micah who are allowing the 538refugee link to go through despite what their instructions are from the NYT.

  31. mostlyilurk says:

    Thank you for the giggle as I imagine the tea party (or remember my tea parties from long ago). Your post illustrates why I’m not nearly so fond of reading Nate at his new site. I’ve found the comments to be, for the most part, fairly dry and boring – interesting, but not much fun. I understand that they most likely have to be at a site like the NYT – but I sure do miss the occasional laugh 🙂

  32. filistro says:

    @mostlyilurk.. but I sure do miss the occasional laughOh, me too. I really don’t see much point in anything we can’t laugh about. (But then… I am a notoriously trivial person…)I see we’re both all dressed up for our tea party. I’m wearing ropes of pearls, the family rhinestones and a silk dress over my jeans. (And I love your turquoise fedora and that pink feather boa. It’s a good look. 🙂

  33. Jean says:

    re: @alki They only care about the page hits. I don’t think they picked up 538 because of its stellar commenters, unfortunately. Even if we all go over there and read the posts and then come back here to discuss, they will have still achieved their end goal, I thinkCouldn’t we copy Nate’s post over here as an article. Then we could all post comments, as is done at NYT, except we will be real-time.

  34. shrinkers says:

    Jean,I don’t think it would be a good idea to copy Nate’s posts. He (or NYT) owns the copyright. We’d be in clear violation. If there is some good well on their side towards us, that’d kill it. Might even result in legal hassles.OTOH, posting links to them would, as has been noted, add to their hits, which, in turn, might increase their good will towards us.

  35. mostlyilurk says:

    Thank you, fedoras and boas are my trademark. They’re especially popular at my son’s school when I show up in them at pick-up time. (Actually, I’m envisioning the look of horror that would come across his little face if I actually did show up in a fedora and/or boa – and I’m giggling again 🙂

  36. shiloh says:

    Speaking of personal NYT’s posts lol@32Filistro, you ole smoothie, much like myself ;)It is interesting how many of Nate’s former “residents”, especially conservatives lol, at his old blog have matriculated back to greener pasture free of moderation …Wishing both the old and new all the best!shiloh~~~~~~~~~~And I disagree when fili mentioned on another thread that Nate’s new site has more intelligent posters/discussion. IMO it’s about the same minus the Mule Rider’s/PK’s. ;)carry on

  37. shrinkers says:

    “And I disagree when fili mentioned on another thread that Nate’s new site has more intelligent posters/discussion. IMO it’s about the same minus the Mule Rider’s/PK’s.”But but but subtracting Mule and PK clearly raises the total collective IQ.

  38. konastephen says:

    If this site actually offered anything to substantively challenge the NYTtwit worldview you can bet all your theophobias the NYTtwit censors would scrap your plugs in a NY minute…

  39. konastephen says:

    “…total collective IQ.” Which judging from the disdain in which you hold conservatism is not high to begin with. It’s the old adage. If you’re not a liberal sometime in your twenties you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative by 30 you have no brain.

  40. filistro says:

    welcome aboard, kona. You seem like a really nice person…

  41. shiloh says:

    @konaWhich begs the question: What’s the collective IQ of teabaggers!and oh the irony of discussing conservative IQ after (8) years of cheney/bush ~ and yes I know the Rep yada/yada/yada reply ~ but, but, but cheney/bush didn’t govern as conservatives ;)Which begs the 2nd question: Where were all these dissenting conservative voices from 2001 to 2009, eh.>And one more rhetorical question: 🙂 If wingers aren’t happy w/Nate’s old and new site(s) why don’t they relocate to redstate, freeperville, drudge, malkin, fixednoise, etc. conservative blogs …hmmtake care, blessings

  42. Number Seven says:

    Just had to let everyone know that Muley is back. He recently posted on Nates site on the same thread as that asshat augustine. He was trying to act very nice and polite but when blamed the mess on ‘us’, a poster asked him it it was ok for (my words) Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush to do the things they did that have destroyed the middle class. No response yet.As to the topic, I enjoy this site. Great counterpart.

  43. filistro says:

    shiloh… wingers are attracted to liberal sites the way men are attracted to loose women. In the rational part of their tiny brains they know we’re bad for them… but we’re just so much more fun!

  44. Number Seven says:

    Fili, you are sexually harassing me by giving me a boener. 😉

  45. filistro says:

    Number Seven… well, you’d better be careful what you do next. Christine O’Donnell is watching you.. and she knows the Black Arts…

  46. shiloh says:

    @ filishiloh… wingers are attracted to liberal sites the way men are attracted to loose women.In the rational part of their tiny brains they know we’re bad for them… but we’re just so much more fun!~~~~~~~~~~Indeed 😉 those wascally wabbit wepressed wingers!apologies to Bugs …

  47. shiloh says:

    @#7Just had to let everyone know that Muley is back.~~~~~~~~~~Yea, he appeared the 2nd week of Nate’s new enterprise …Coincidentally, another post which didn’t pass NYT’s censorship!So let’s recap, shall we:Augustine makes a fool of himself on the first post of this thread and doesn’t reappear until #97 where he again makes a fool of himself replying to Mule Rider, another fool from Nate’s old blog lol.A certain symmetry, eh.Hey, all I ask for is consistency …shiloh~~~~~Again, too funny how MR disparaged Nate and 538 every which way but loose! …and thenand thenand thenlike a neurotic lemming to the sea Mule appears at Nate’s new site. :)Shocking! 😉

  48. filistro says:

    Hey shiloh… since you’re the cut-and-paste King of the World…. could you put up a post showing Joe Miller and Bart De Palma side by side?I think they may have been separated at birth. Maybe they’re even the same person. Has anybody ever seen them together?

  49. Number Seven says:

    @ Shilo,Did you ever think Bugs Bunny was cute when he dressed up as a women?

  50. filistro says:

    #7… you gotta admit those purple platforms are wicked awesome…

  51. Number Seven says:

    Yes, lol, just don’t wear them when on a water bed.I loved that pic. It reminded me of that scene in ‘Wayne’s World’ when Garth made the comment I made to Wayne.

  52. alki says:

    @Moldyme……”… If I know my history, they (TPers)are simply zombies that result from the reincarnation of past conservative groups. I may have the order wrong but it runs something like this……they were the McCarthyites who morphed into the John Birch Society who morphed into the silent majority who morphed into the moral majority who morphed into the religious right who morphed into the Tea Party.”And from this, I have to ask: where do you all think the TPers go from here? What happens to this country as the rhetoric moves more to what used to be the radical right? At what point do we reach Malcolm Gladwell’s tipping point? I wish I had fili’s sense of optimism.Frankly, I think we are inching towards civil war. I am not convinced that Rs have a strong grasp on democracy. As they come to fully realize the implications of a country where whites don’t hold majority status, I think they will look to other means to gain power……hence the AK-47s in the Joe Miller parade. The other nite, Trace Adkins was on AC360. He said to AC that Rs and tea partiers have no intention of compromising and working together; that Rs want their leaders to flip the bird at Dems. To my utter embarrassment, AC giggled like a school girl at that comment.IMO time to suck it up and expect the worst.

  53. shiloh says:

    OK per fili’s request: 😉Bart and Joe 1Bart and Joe 2hmm, Bart and Joe …The BJ TwinsThe Teabagger Twins er TTTThe Kansas/Colorado Twins ~ Yes Virginia, Miller was born in KS.and their both attorneys, or so they say …carry on

  54. shiloh says:

    Paging Dr. Shrinkers ~ we have another unclosed italic tag problem.

  55. shrinkers says:

    Let’s see if this fixes it.

  56. filistro says:

    Ahhh… shrinkers to the rescue.Shiloh, thanks for the “Bart and Joe Show.”Spooky resemblance, eh? Maybe there’s a big lab somewhere producing cookie-cutter Teapers on an assembly line, kind of like gingerbread men. Somebody needs to check and see if Bart has a raisin where his tummy button should be….As you may have guessed by now, I started drinking rather early this evening. It’s the only way I’ll be able to get through Dancing With The Stars, featuring Bristol’s debut and Mama Grizzly In The House.The Freepers report the place is crawling with Secret Service, everybody’s being frisked right down to their dancing slippers, and show organizers have been told “in the event of an attack, Ms Palin is higher priority than Bristol….”Good grief. The mind boggles. I’m really going to need more wine.

  57. shiloh says:

    @filiSecret Service lol highly doubtful as she quit as governor and no longer holds any political office.The freepers must have their panties in a bunch much like Jeff in his hatred of Obama! :)>Increased security would be a waste of money also, let alone Secret Service 😉

  58. alki says:

    Reading the comments on this blog makes me laugh. Its like how kids are the last day of school and they are free for the summer. And all this time I thought I was the only one unhappy with the new 538 and its peculiar form of censorship. ;-))

  59. shrinkers says:

    filistro,Thank you for daring into Freeperland, even in the form of Dancing with the Whatever.

  60. Mr Universe says:

    More like dancing with the has-beens and wannabes.

  61. George in Florida says:

    Filistro:In answer to your question about FL, heres how the race breaks down.TPers: Rubio got the TP blessing, but just barely. He’s come out against Arizona Immigration (kinda) and doesn’t necessarily hold down the TPer line. However, he’s close enough so that he’ll get the TPer vote (but maybe not as strongly as a true TPer would???)GOP-non-TP: O.K., this is a tough one. There are some GOP here that don’t care for the TP, but they are few and far between. The GOP is really cracking down on any party official who supports Crist over Rubio, to the point of threatening them with being kicked out of the party. This spring, there was a GOP party credit card scandal, where the party gave out credit cards to some people to use (and abuse) for party functions. Rubio was caught with some improprieties (like double billing the GOP and the state for the same items). The INDEPENDENT audit of the GOP came down on two people, one of which was Crist (no mention of Rubio). The GOP is playing for keeps here. Also, there are many here who would fill in the R circle no matter what name what beside it. But Crist is well liked here (by both GOP and Dems). If Crist gets 5% of the GOP vote, he’ll be doing well, imho.Black Dems: When I was working the polls during the primary, the observation was made that we had the highest percentage of black show up at the poll ever. Even higher than 2008 (o.k., a little misleading, since we had 1100 for the general in 2008, but only about 300 for this primary). However, we did have more voters than the 2008 primary (we had it in two parts, president in Jan and the rest in August, where less than 100 showed up). The general feeling is that if you’re black and voting, you’ll be filling in that oval for Meek, regardless if it turns out to be a throw away vote. This limits the down side to Meek, who will get a MINIMUM of 15% of the total vote (imho).Non-black Dems: O.K., let’s face it. This is the south. And some whites can’t make themselves fill in the oval for a black man. And some of the non-black dems are totally anti-TP. And some are realists (the anyone but Rubio crowd, of which I am one, can you guess?) So Crist will get plenty of those votes.Independents: As you probably know, many of these are independents in name only (IINOs?), some of which left the party in 2008, but will still vote GOP. Rubio votes. Some are anti-TP. These will go to Crist. And some are, well, independents. During the primary, independents were only allowed to vote for judges (closed primary). Quite a few left in a huff because they did not realize that they could not vote for the GOV and Senate positions (no other races were at all interesting). However, many came is knowing that they could only vote for judges, and came in anyway (and were proud of their independency). I think this brand of independents are probably going to swing to Crist.(cont).

  62. George in Florida says:

    (cont)However, since Rubio is trying to portray himself as not a strait TP kind of guy, some of the anti-TP vote may still end up voting for Rubio.So how is it going to all turn out? That’s the $64 question. I don’t see many Dems having trouble voting for Crist. He’s pretty middle of the road, and pretty much liked by all. He got the teacher vote earlier this year by vetoing a GOP bill that the teachers hated. He’s move way left in the last 6 months (to the point that he’s losing some of the GOP vote that he could have gotten). The oil spill was a blessing for him getting him on the TV almost daily (he even showed up at Obama’s door with the cameras when Obama was down here on his “vacation.” But now that the oil spill is over, his numbers are going back down. He’s going to need something major to turn the numbers around again. With him getting only a small percentage of the GOP vote and losing all the black vote, he may not get enough indys and cross over Dems to win.Anyway, that is my read on FL.

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