Hot Fudge Sunday January 23

Sundays bring us the political talk shows. If you see something interesting on one of them, jump on the comment board and talk about it. This week’s focus is on the upcoming State of the Union Address. According to Politico, here is the lineup for this week’s shows:

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) (Image via Wikipedia)

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) (Image via Wikipedia)

This Week (ABC) — Meet the New Boss? Retiring Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), Kent Conrad (D-ND) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), as well as newly-elected Reps. Chris Gibson (R-NY) and Bobby Schilling (R-IL) and Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT).

Face the Nation (CBS) — Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.).

Meet the Press (NBC) — House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) will discuss the Republican majority in the House and preview the legislative battles ahead over health care and government spending, among other issues. Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC) joins the show’s political roundtable to offer the Democratic view.

Colin Powell (Image via Wikipedia)

Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL) (Image via Wikipedia)

State of the Union (CNN) — The war in Afghanistan and the political tone in Washington with former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (and former Secretary of State) Colin Powell.

Fox News Sunday — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL).

After watching the shows, or getting the rundown on the shows from secondary sources like CNN, come around here to discuss what was said.


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55 Responses to Hot Fudge Sunday January 23

  1. Monotreme says:

    Eric Cantor on MTP. Squirrely on deficit reduction, had a painful rictus on his face as he answered. Did better on Obama as a citizen and leader. I was impressed that David Gregory pinned him down, and didn’t let Rep. Cantor get away with talking about PPACA when the question was Social Security.

  2. Mainer says:

    I don’t think they want to have to explain any thing. And when they do they get his wounded hurt feeling because the librul media is being unfair to them. Suck it up A’hole if life were actually fair the commentator would be calling you the liar that you are. When will some one call these bastards on their Frank Luntz job killing shit?

  3. Bart DePalma says:

    SOTU drinking game suggestion:

    Take a shot of your favorite liquor every time Obama discusses reducing the deficit.

    Take a chaser of beer every time Obama calls for Congress to enact new spending.

    You could have alcohol poisoning by the time our President finishes up the SOTU.

    At the very least, you will be hugging the porcelain goddess.

    Then again, maybe just listening to the Obama bait and switch in the SOTU will be enough for you to make that acquaintance.

  4. Max aka Birdpilot says:

    Oh for a host that would ask a question.

    When the guest danced around it, the host would interrupt, state that they were NOT answering and ask the question again.

    When the guest danced around it again, the host would interrupt again, state that they were NOT answering again and say: “Respectfully, we have X minutes left in this segment, I am going to continue to ask this same question and interrupt you if you do not answer specifically the question I’ve asked until that time is up, or you may take off your mike and leave now.”

  5. Bartbuster says:

    Blankshot, if you really want to get sick, just think about how many people you wingnuts got killed for nothing over in Iraq.

  6. filistro says:

    @BB… just think about how many people you wingnuts got killed for nothing over in Iraq.

    Our Bart doesn’t care in the least about the lives of actual, already-breathing people who are living independently outside the womb.

    As I pointed out last year… Bart is deeply, passionately concerned about “the rights of the unborn.” This concern lasts until they are born, the cord is cut and they turn into people who might one day grow up and raise Bart’s taxes.

  7. Bart DePalma says:

    Fili/BB:

    You know nothing about what you speak.

    I directed the killing of several dozen Iraqi troops as a mechanized infantry platoon leader during the Persian Gulf War – over 30 tanks and personnel carriers and a dismounted company that had the misfortune of attempting an attack in my sector. Most of those poor bastards were draftees impressed off the streets of Iraqi cities and thrown into a war to defend the conquests of their savage leader. Others were thuggish SS wanabees Saddam recruited for his Republican Guard. I have asked God’s forgiveness for every life I have taken because all lives have value, even the most debased Republican Guardsman.

    After the ceasefire, my company occupied a small town south of Basra. The Iraqis were thrilled and saw us a liberators freeing them. We soon found out why. Saddam unleashed the surviving elements of his RG on the Shia in the south and the wounded refugees starts coming into our lines looking for safety. One was a pregnant mother who had been gang raped before a RG soldier thought it would be fun to give her an impromptu abortion with a AK-47 round. [No big deal, since the killed unborn was not really a person, right?] I would have gladly continued the war and continued killing for as long as it took to liberate all of Iraq from a far worse fate under Saddam. Unfortunately, Bush cut a deal and ordered us to abandon the Iraqis he encouraged to rebel to their fate. We left that terrified little town with screaming kids running after our tracks hoping to get a ride to Saudi. Saddam murdered over a half million after the ceasefire. I often wonder how many people I came to know in that little town were among them.

    It is sometimes necessary to kill people perpetrating evil because some things are worse than war, but it is NEVER necessary to kill the innocent.

  8. dcpetterson says:

    Here’s a question for the anti-choice people.

    A building is burning down. There is a one-year-old baby in there. There also is an insulated contained the size of a suitcase which hold five frozen human embryos. You have time to get to one or the other, not both. Which do you save — the living baby, or the suitcase of embryos?

  9. filistro says:

    How fascinating that one person, within a few sentences of the same screed, can write these two things:

    I would have gladly continued the war and continued killing for as long as it took to liberate all of Iraq from a far worse fate under Saddam.

    It is sometimes necessary to kill people perpetrating evil because some things are worse than war, but it is NEVER necessary to kill the innocent.

    As somebody commented a few days ago… “excuse me, I have to go and throw up now.”

  10. Mainer says:

    And yet again Bart the fibitarian hath bleated.

  11. shiloh says:

    Barted ~ (((I))) directed the killing of several dozen Iraqi troops as a mechanized infantry platoon leader during the Persian Gulf War – over 30 tanks and personnel carriers and a dismounted company that had the misfortune of attempting an attack in my sector.

    As mentioned a couple years ago when Bartles was on a similar incoherent/discombobulated rant about his proud family history of military service … most American families have a proud military history and true heroes who have been in the eye of the storm of battle never, (((let me repeat never))) talk about said military action ~ certainly not as an inane deflection in a thread about abortion.

    Not that I would ever impune Bartles veracity, eh but, but, but Bartles does have a 538 history of hyperbolic exaggeration er lying, when backed into a corner after being buried w/rational, intelligent thought!

    Solo estoy diciendo

    Said Bartles deflection aside, it is interesting he has never talked about his Audie Murphy heroic service at 538 until now as a red herring in a thread about abortion. As Arsenio Hall would say, hmm.

    >

    Did I mention most, if not all veterans never talk about their war experiences and would (((never))) deflect said dubious action in an abortion discussion.

    Just when ‘ya think Bart couldn’t possibly sink any lower …

    >

    btw, as Max mentioned, when are you gonna adopt ie since were so forthcoming w/personal war stories, please share w/us your personal reasons why you don’t have children ?!? miscarriage, abortion, selfishness, knowing your personal limitations, family medical history.

    ok, don’t really want to know, just makin’ a point …

    take care

  12. Bartbuster says:

    You know nothing about what you speak.

    I know EXACTLY about which I speak. There was no WMD. There was no Al Qaeda. There was no threat. You warmongering scum got a bunch of people killed for nothing.

  13. Bartbuster says:

    I have asked God’s forgiveness for every life I have taken because all lives have value, even the most debased Republican Guardsman.

    It’s a good thing for you that the “God” who you believe in probably does not exist.

  14. dcpetterson says:

    It’s a good thing for you that the “God” who you believe in probably does not exist.

    The really odd things is that this is the same “God” that the people he claims to have killed also prayed to. This “God” person sounds pretty capricious.

  15. Bartbuster says:

    Indeed, there appears to be no limit to the murder and mayhem that can be justified by invoking the “will” of “God”.

  16. mclever says:

    Well, if this is going to devolve into general God/religion bashing, I see no point in sticking around.

  17. dcpetterson says:

    mclever, speaking for myself, I have less problem with “religion” or God (whichever god you like) than I do with people who use these things as excuses for committing violence against humans or against the world. Religion serves an important purpose. It is cheapened when it is brought into the political sphere.

  18. Bart DePalma says:

    Fili:

    In what way are my two statements factually or morally wrong?

    Shiloh:

    Simply killing enemy soldiers on a battlefield does not make one a hero. We simply outclassed Iraq.

  19. Bart DePalma says:

    Back to the subject of the thread…

    The Republicans on the Sonday talkers took turns ridiculing Obama’s coming bait and switch promising to reduce the deficit while asking for additional spending. Durbin was reduced to whining that stopping government borrowing and spending will send us into recession.

  20. mostlyilurk says:

    Nobody knows bait and switch like the republicans, lol!

  21. Bartbuster says:

    We simply outclassed Iraq.

    Blankshot, you have never outclassed anyone in your entire miserable life.

  22. dcpetterson says:

    The Republicans on the Sunday talkers took turns demonstrating that they know nothing about the concept of “investment,” and really don’t care about job growth. Durbin made some excellent points that pulling back on job creation will send us into deeper recession.

  23. mclever says:

    @dcpetterson

    I also deplore when religion is misused as a political bludgeon or an excuse for violence, especially since such acts usually run counter to the teachings of said religion. I agree with you that politicizing faith cheapens its value to believers, which is why I’m a strong proponent of “separation of church and state.” It’s one of the wisest concepts our founding fathers came up with.

    I object when those who don’t believe in something spiritual paint all religious or faithful with a broad brush of condemnation. Even if that isn’t the intent, that’s often how those broad strokes come across.

  24. Bartbuster says:

    I object when those who don’t believe in something spiritual paint all religious or faithful with a broad brush of condemnation. Even if that isn’t the intent, that’s often how those broad strokes come across.

    Good thing no one even came close to doing that here.

  25. dcpetterson says:

    @mclever
    I’m a strong proponent of “separation of church and state.” It’s one of the wisest concepts our founding fathers came up with.

    Indeed. Judging by what I’ve read of our Founders, the separation of church and state that is embodied in the First Amendment was put there, to a great extent, to protect religion. They recognized the cheapening and degradation of religion that happens with it is misused to advance political causes. Inevitably, the religious ideas get dumbed-down and violated. We see this constantly with today’s social conservatives.

    To use “religion” as an excuse to take away someone’s rights — and then to use that same religion as an excuse to kill — is beyond unforgivable. There is a special place in Hell reserved for such dishonesty.

  26. shiloh says:

    Barted ~ Simply killing enemy soldiers on a battlefield does not make one a hero.

    Bart was being sarcastic about your Walter Mitty storytelling as again true heroes hardly ever boast re: their war experiences, unlike yourself!

    >

    Max/abortion thread ~ Trollish behavior on his part gets one warning, after which a second occurrence gets a 14 day ban. After which the game begins again.

    Again, beating a dead horse from September, an internet site needs to require membership in order to ban someone ie you are banning a username and IP address. Of course there are many ways to get around the IP address ban, but no way to get around banning a username/nic once the decision has been made.

    And of course said site would need Rules and Regulations and 24/7 moderators to enforce the rules ie a lot of work and a PITA if it’s a rather large site.

    Bottom line at Joker’s:

    feel free to post certifiable/verifiable source reference links ie snark would get you in trouble.

    Bart do you never get tired of being an asshole? would probably get you an instantaneous permanent ban.

    Bart tellin’ me to F off would get him banned as bad language is/was a definite no no, period, end of story! As mentioned before, Mule would have lasted a couple hours at Joker’s and would not have lasted long enough to threaten Nate’s life lol.

    Bart’s wah sniffle wah or :::chuckle::: would have got him a (7) day ban.

    And of course most of my 538 posts 😉 ie snark would have got me banned fairly quickly. Again, it’s amazing I lasted over (3) years in the Current Affairs forum as the discussion would get soooo heated, they would have (3) day cool down periods ie the political forum would be closed. This was usually ’caused by cheney/bush’s illegal/unconstitutional Iraq War discussion 2005/2006. Fun times!

    Also mentioned after the 2006 election many conservatives stopped posting in the political forum and after the 2008 election they all left 😛 go figure, and yes, sayin’ Republicans are sore losers! ie telling the truth lol would also get you in trouble.

    >

    So let’s recap, shall we:

    Running a political site is a PITA and if there’s enforceable moderation, you usually end up pleasin’ no one as each side constantly complains about said moderation.

    btw, discussing political site moderation, much like abortion debate, usually ends up going nowhere. And it’s funny to me ’cause I joined Joker’s (2003) for reality tv discussion and ended up in the political forum discussing politics for the first time ever as they definitely needed my expertise. 😀

    Carry on w/hot fudge …

  27. mclever says:

    @dcpetterson

    Indeed. Judging by what I’ve read of our Founders, the separation of church and state that is embodied in the First Amendment was put there, to a great extent, to protect religion.

    Exactly! 🙂

  28. Bart DePalma says:

    Allen will announce tomorrow that he running in a rematch with Webb in 2012 for the VA Senate seat.

    Webb could only win by 1% with the macaca nonsense in the Dem 2006 year with Bush to beat up on. Now Allan can hang Webb’s votes for TARP, the Porkulus and Obamacare as well as Obama himself around Webb’s neck like anchors.

    The GOP is now up to 49 seats after 2012.

  29. Bartbuster says:

    with the macaca nonsense

    AKA Allen’s blatant racism. Good luck with that…

  30. Number Seven says:

    I am watching, Pink Floyd’s, The WalL, and all I can see now is Bart, playing the part of Pink, ….PUT THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL!!!!

  31. Max aka Birdpilot says:

    Bart needs to read “Born Fighting”

  32. mclever says:

    I don’t watch the Sunday morning chat shows, so I really can’t say much about what was said…

    However, I can lob a grenade on a tangential topic to get everyone riled up…

    Whew! I’m so glad that total blowhard Keith Olbermann is off the air! Now I can watch MSNBC with out having to scramble for the mute button every time his face appears. I don’t care if he was right half the time or all the time, his brazen, bullish demeanor was a total turn-off.

    “Worst Person in the World” indeed!

    Let the flaming commence. 😉

  33. Bart DePalma says:

    Mclever:

    You are far too reasonable to be a progressive.

  34. Bart DePalma says:

    Michael:

    Commentary provides a step by step evisceration of the Bush and Obama Keynesian “stimulus” spending.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/where-did-the-stimulus-go–15610#

    In sum, individuals used it to pay off debt, states used it to pay off Medicaid and the rest was a pork filled waste.

    It would be useful to read the article before listening to Obama on Tuesday talk about how yet more government “investments” will create jobs.

  35. mclever says:

    Bart,

    Sure, I’m reasonable. Now, if only we could get BillO, Hannity, and Beck off the air, too!

    😉

  36. mclever says:

    Oh, and that guy on CNBC who screams all the time… Yeesh. Take a chill, dude. You’re scaring my cat!

  37. Bart DePalma says:

    Mclever:

    I find radio and television screaming heads to be in turns irritating and boring. Limbaugh can be the exception when he uses comedy rather than rant.

  38. Bartbuster says:

    My favorite Limbaugh “comedy” was his recent racist “impression” of the Chinese president. What’s yours, Baghdad?

  39. mclever says:

    Oh, I thought his likening of Chelsea Clinton to a poodle was particularly charming… Limbaugh hasn’t been funny since his show went national.

  40. Bart DePalma says:

    Mclever:

    I like the Paul Shanklin parodies on Rush’s show.

    Did you actually listen to Limbaugh out in Sacramento before he went national over 20 years ago?

  41. Mule Rider says:

    “was his recent racist…”

    Still defining “racist” as anyone you don’t like or disagree with?

    If so, might I suggest the purchase of a dictionary. Probably won’t cost you more than $10 at the nearest Barnes and Noble.

  42. mclever says:

    Bart,

    I’m just old enough to remember listening to Limbaugh every afternoon with my mother in the mid-to-late 80’s. At the time, I didn’t realize how much of what he said was just puffery for his own amusement, but I got that it was intended to be funny rather than serious most of the time. When he first started to go national, I figured he didn’t believe half of the nonsense he spouted. Now, I think he’s sadly devolved into believing his own parody of himself.

  43. Bartbuster says:

    Still defining “racist” as anyone you don’t like or disagree with?

    No, defining someone as racist if they insult someone using a racist stereotype.

  44. shiloh says:

    mclever ~ Now I can watch MSNBC with out having to scramble for the mute button every time his face appears.

    So you (((enjoy))), minus Rachel/Lawrence O’Donnell, hearing 24/7 pundit fools at MSNBC spouting their keen grasp of the obvious ad nauseam ?!? lobbing a grenade on a tangential topic notwithstanding 😀

    btw again, the same is true for CNN and fixednoise as it’s hard to distinguish between keen grasp of the obvious futility lol

    Although Fareed Zakaria is very good at intelligent/rational analysis.

    >

    And too funny Bartles attempting to kiss mclever’s butt like he does w/fili occasionally. :::chuckle:::

    >

    Always found it ironic the son of George Allen, NFL football coach of the Washington Redskins/L.A. Rams etc. turned out to be a hard core bigot!

  45. shiloh says:

    Dow up 11980.52 +108.68‎ (0.92%‎)

    Go Packers!

    btw, my 7th grade teacher called me Super Bowl ’cause I talked football ad nauseam. Halfway thru the season predicted Chiefs/Packers, but predicted K.C. would win ~ carry on …

  46. Mule Rider says:

    “No, defining someone as racist if they insult someone using a racist stereotype.”

    And subtle racism is worse than your overt displays of hate-mongering how?

    I’d much rather have someone be prejudiced or discrimate against me because they think they are superior (or that I’m inferior) rather than have someone outright hate me.

    So judge Allen (or whomever else) all you want for their faults, be it racism or whatever else. Just know that you are a far worse human being for all of the hate you bring into the world.

  47. Bart DePalma says:

    shiloh says: And too funny Bartles attempting to kiss mclever’s butt like he does w/fili occasionally. :::chuckle:::

    The ladies bring a certain class to the joint and often make the progressive guys here look like kids in high school detention engaging in booger flinging contests.

  48. Max aka Birdpilot says:

    Every black person I know prefers the outright racist vs the closeted one.

    Better the devil you know than the one you don’t.

  49. shiloh says:

    Bartles blood slander, blood libel, porkulus, Obama care, statist, activist judge, socialized medicine, birther, death panels, they’re gonna take away our guns, illegal aliens, govt. bailout, refudiate 😛 held hostage, ground zero mosque, death tax, marriage penalty, fair and balanced, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, Hitler, Islamo-fascists, Communists, Socialist, Marxist, wealth distributor, liberal media, pro-business/family/life, states’ rights, civil liberties, strict constructionist, yada yada yada De Palma barts about booger flinging contests.

    ie 538’s incoherent winger troll whiner extraordinaire …

    “Our Republic Has Stumbled, But Has Not Yet Fallen”

    My descriptive phrases do not begin to do justice to the damage these policies are doing to the country.

    April 23, 2010 10:46 AM

    I wonder whether I live in America anymore when the government imposes its will in opposition to the people. That is what ruling classes do, not representatives of the people.

    May 2, 2010 4:21 PM
    ~~~~~

    Speaks! ~ Alert the media!

    Again Bart, as 538 is more of a free speech site then your lonely, Google, winger blog circle jerk will ever be ~ please feel free to (((pander))) to anyone.

    >

    hmm, Bart barts about boogers ~ a conservative song title ?!? Someone notify Ted I’m a Vietnam War draft dodger! Nugent.

  50. Bartbuster says:

    Just know that you are a far worse human being for all of the hate you bring into the world.

    Confronting racists and warmongering idiots is not “bringing hate into the world”, you imbecile, it is exactly the opposite.

  51. Max aka Birdpilot says:

    GROG??

  52. shiloh says:

    GROG??

    Like cheney, he’s currently at an undisclosed bunker as the past couple days he was under heavy rational/intelligent fire …

    Wishin’ him all the best! as he regroups for another round.

  53. Mule Rider says:

    “Every black person I know prefers the outright racist vs the closeted one.”

    Unfortunately, I wasn’t talking about overt racism versus subtle racism.

    I was talking about overt HATRED (which can take a multitude of forms tha t MAY include but is far from limited to racism) versus subtle racism.

  54. Bartbuster says:

    I was talking about overt HATRED (which can take a multitude of forms tha t MAY include but is far from limited to racism) versus subtle racism.

    And I feel terrible about HATING warmongering racists…

    You’re an imbecile.

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